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problem in UK at least is that they keep losing all kinds of personal data compiled on us citizens

same problem all over Nick, hopefully it looks like our goverment won't be allowed to follow this EU directive (if its the right name), but then again u got google and others too

In a word yes. There is a fundamental problem with improving perceived security through technology. It does not work. That is to say, the more you rely on technology to make you feel secure the less secure you will be. That is when you are not just GIVING away the information to would be exploiters of it for the hell of it.

Biometrics and id cards are the epitome of that.

I will go into it more but unless someone wants me to I shall just leave you a link instead.

http://www.no2id.net/

One last thought.. have you ever wondered why public CCTV ,paid for by the public , installed on behalf of the public, designed to protect the public, is not allowed to be seen by the public? Why are all these councils putting their CCTV systems in fortified bunker type environments. What exactly is it they are protecting themselves from?

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"The Naked Truth is Not a Number he is a Free Man" :-)

Very well cracked :)

thereby proving YOU really need a life now

Are you number 2? ;)


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...in the context of the thread i should be Rover. The balloon is coming to get you:-)

Interesting information, TNT, thank you for the reply.

I'm curious, what are your thoughts on privacy software: encryption programs and onion routing and such? As an adovcate of privacy and liberty, do you use such programs yourself? And if you(or anyone else reading this) do, are you comfortable using it, or do you feel like making use of such software makes you seem guilty of something in others' eyes?

Well my take on issues of privacy has been long established since the first inceptions of public key cryptography first his the wide world in general. I still remember (not so long ago I might hasten to add) when countries like the us tried to 'ban' advanced cryptography from being exported, treating it as if it were munitions being sent to an enemy country, or as they liked to put it, treason.

In a world where documents can be freely copied and passed around with just a click or two there is a place for privacy through cryptography that should never be denied and governments, despite their protestations, will have to accept that.

I think the best way to explain that issue to quote from the PGP faq written 13 years ago now. (http://www.faqs.org/faqs/pgp-faq/part1/)

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1.2. Why should I encrypt my mail? I'm not doing anything illegal!

You should encrypt your e-mail for the same reason that you don't
write all of your correspondence on the back of a post card. E-mail is
actually far less secure than the postal system. With the post office,
you at least put your letter inside an envelope to hide it from casual
snooping. Take a look at the header area of any e-mail message that
you receive and you will see that it has passed through a number of
nodes on its way to you. Every one of these nodes presents the
opportunity for snooping. Encryption in no way should imply illegal
activity. It is simply intended to keep personal thoughts personal.

-- CUT --

It is the old chestnut of "If you are no guilty, you have nothing to hide"
but I have my pride and my privacy which is MINE and I don't give a flying fig whether that makes me look guilty or not.

Of course trouble is we have been giving away our rights to freedom steadily for the last 20 years or so. To the point where the UK government no longer has to actually have any evidence of wrong-doing and can choose to hold you and demand you give them
access to your encrypted information. If you refuse or are UNABLE (ie
forgotten you password) then they can charge you under a trumped-up draconian law and lock you up for years with no appeal.

So the short answer, yes. I use encryption pretty much on daily basis and I wish more people would. I am an old dog and have been around for too long not to know how fragile and exposed the world of the Internet is. Just things like yahoo messenger, skype or MSN are fraught with vulnerabilities. You do realise it is possible to sniff all your yahoo chatter at will given the right circumstances? It is possible to intercept files, images and voice sent between people quite easily?

But why do so many of us not care then, if email is insecure, messengers insecure, voip insecure. Why are we not upset and demanding out privacy? I think most people tend to fall in to mindset of SEP, Somebody Else's Problem. But if you have ever been a victim of identity theft you will realise the more about yourself you give away the less of a person you become in this modern world.

Ok, I know it is kinda long but I hope it makes someone think about this issues at least. It is a wide and complicated subject, but it is
increasingly an urgent one as more and more of our freedoms to discuss this issue are curtailed.


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The Naked Truth has a way of always adding interesting detailed clear information and ideas

Thanks :)


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We know who you are Laughing Girl.

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the funniest t-shirt design i ever encountered read "665...the 'neighbour' of the beast" :-)

What is interesting to postulate is that give that evil as a concept is supposed to be timeless and exist before man's creation, why is it it took until the formulation of the the Hindu-Arabic system we use now (which includes 0 , which was a 'new' concept at the time of the old testament) to actually associate evil mysticism with numbers.

In societies where abstract mathematics was not required, nor needed, quite often the concept of anything more than the 10 fingers on your hands became just 'many' 1, 2 ..10 , many. Does this mean that if you have no significance in the numbers you are immune to evil that is marked by numbers?


Or is it perhaps a spiritually polymodal need for humans to see patterns and significance when there is none. Just as everyone must create their gods and their prophets in their own image so to do we like to compartmentalise things like evil good and what lies between. Perhaps it is not evil or good which exists but rather our thoughts about evil or good that make it manifest for us.

Quite apart from what some of the truly horrendous things in the world that go on I firmly believe that the whole idea of evil acts on other humans would be obviated if perpetrators where made to experience the suffering they inflict. In a perfect (but very strange) world if you instantly suffered the same fate as your victim you would think twice about what acts you commit against your fellow man.

Off topic I know.. but.. just felt like rambling :)

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Well, the conception of what is good and what is evil becomes much more clear if to accept that both good and evil have their primordial and real essence, and humans are executors...but executors who have their FREEWILL from the very beginning. So, they can freely choose what to execute during their lives. The more each of us acts maliciously, the more evil spreads and grows. I firmly believe that every person, being in sanity, is able to understand what is good and what is evil, and moreover, his inner voice exactly tells him where he is right and where he is wrong. If he brings sufferings to someone, he anyway knows and somewhere deeply inside his soul feels that he is wrong. But it was his CHOICE to do that. That is why people always try to justify all their wrongs but again, why? Because they feel they are not right, therefore are not happy. Human's nature wasn't created for executing evil. Partly those who brings sufferings to others are suffering too...(as an example read Dostoevsky's "Crime and punishment")...but another part of sufferings and punishments lays beyond our physical life (or reward and gratification if you were keeping to do your the best during your life).
So, it is not only our bad thoughts but our bad actions for sure feed the evil, give it a power, make it real and keep things in the world such as we have.
As for numbers...any of them means nothing in itself, they are just a numbers. Much more important WHAT people are doing to make them significant, so ACTIONS is what makes not only numbers but any other things "clean" or "dirty"..
Well, I was trying to answer on your question, The NakedTruth :) Seems I went too far...lol. Ah, and forgot to say...it is just my point of view, so I am not insisting everyone should think like me.

Just heard a report of a woman in Saudi Arabia who is going to be beheaded because he supposedly practices witchcraft.... The evidence against her was a white robe in her closet and a couple of men who claim that she cast a spell on them and made them impotent.
Do you think court sytem in Saudi Arabia realizes that it's the instrument of evil?

don't they know to throw her off a bridge.if she floats,she's a witch.sheesh when will some systems move into the 21st century :--)

Unfortunately, there is no any perfect system in this world, just some are much far from fairth then others.

is it true that in Russia, they look at your bank accounts and income as well?

Not necessarily. Still depends on who you are...and also if it has something to do with taxes or crime.

Big Brother is creeping all over the place, just look how many members get bent out of shape when some post with "Anonymous", next they will want us have a ID number tattoed ala Concentration Camp style.

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How about to prevent the "bad guys" from winning, they look up your ass, open your mail, investigate your health history, eavesdrop on your phone calls, open your mail, monitor your banking activity, confiscate your laptop every time you cross the border, check your voting record, steal elections, lie about civilian casualties during wartime, steal taxpayers money to conduct illegal wars, assassinate "dissident" activists, torture "terrorists" to obtain information, create weapons that will activate from outer space, ...is this OK, if we protect "ourselves" from the terrorists?

Good question...but everything is not so easy like we used to be told by newspapers and TV. It is only a half of a truth...moreover, sometimes it is not a truth at all. Most of the horrible things in the world (terrorism, crisises, viruses etc) are actually initiated "in vitro" for the other, much more secret aims, which average citizens never know. And then, after the horrible thing "was happened" they tell us that we need IDs, biometrics, fingerprints and other methods of control "to prevent" those horrible things...Otherwise, how else could they explain their arrangements to control everyone and everything, including a private life. Every law-abiding person doesn't need that actually...
It is hard to believe maybe, but even so-called "free world" essentially is not free. It only seems that you can do everything what you want. But if you try to think deeper, you will discover that noone is actually have a real freedom. You're tied by hundreds of connections with civil being and you think you couldn't survive without them. Thus, you must do everything what is prescribed by civilization. And you will follow any new laws just to survive. This is the main tool to manipulate people all around the world.
"What for" is another question, too deep and serious...and as I know is forbidden to discuss in this forum...

they already did that to my dog LG.you think he might be a terrorist? :--)

I understand you irony, tisme :-) But don't forget that many many things were probed on the animals first, before they were applied to a people. The next it could be a children for the same reason as animals...well, probably some already are. You better think what and who stands behind all that. Yes, the aim could seem very reasonable but there could also be another reason, which have nothing to do with announced safety.

sorry, typo...instead of "another reason" I was going to type "another aim" :-)

all very true LG,but on the up side i can now listen to the radio when i take him for a walk :--)

Well, yes :-) But reminds me that too much of commodities and conveniences are also among of those things which put us in dependence...

Commodities and conveniences, that is so true. Not only do they enslave us, but the companies that make their profits off of the commodities and conveniences they provide us rarely care much about the damages their products ultimately cause.
Scientific information about the negative health effects of cigarrettes, for example, or the scientific studies that have shown high correlations between mobile phone use and the development of brain tumors. Such companies pay huge sums of money just to try to hide or dispute that information just for the sake of their profits. It's evil.

I hope your happy when "the goverment" starts to tax you for useing your credit card here

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same here..but shit happens

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damn u took on her dream too..AINT HAPPENING

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its a tough life aint it

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depends on who that person is

aren't you a sweet threesome - klem

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But that is okay with me for now......

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I had a lot of fun with that and got paid too! :-)

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i didnt know bunnies can drive :P

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all women are lovly in one way or another,im sure you are too.

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Here's hoping you got the special Valentine you wanted dave. I would say with a ******* (country) postmark on it but I'll only get into trouble again with the moaning minnies and dreary willys here. :P

Happy Valentine's Davey))) Love ya lots)) Mwa)

sure baby leave ur number and i'll send u some sexy messages:P

the spirit of you discourse is good but the intention misguided.

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keep dreamin aint gonna happen

Since when?))

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HVD :)

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explanation for Gorty: you posted first, doll then posted like, "I second that!". It means she agrees and supports you. Remember the song, 'I second that emotion!' ?

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and a happy valentines day to you Vera

Guess all includes me unintendently - klem

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Hehe.. well then I might indeed have something for you ;) Stay tuned because this is not all.

Happy Valentine's :)

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the strikes over...get back to work on those soap operas!! and leave us alone.

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:D..mmmmmmmmmmmm... ;-)

keep playing dude and good luck.

No, it doesn't bother me in the least.

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Mondo can I ask you something ?

Don't you just hate it, when you leave a message on the general forum and some unimaginative comes along and almost copies your post cos they can't think of anything original to say?

Not really. That is why I post, so you may learn!

want detailed instructions on how to do suicide there mondo, after all you did promise someone you were going to do it, guess you couldn't find them

I might have promised, war, but, after all, this is a fantasy site. if I had the guts to comit suicide, I would have donr it on trhe way back from Russia when I had good reason and black mood.

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Do you think that is the ONLY reason I went to Russia? Some people are SOOO deluded.

Yes it was because you told so many about it, was your words Mondo, you should remember what you say

Yes, it was one of the reasons. Only two people will ever know the whole truth of what happened. And I will not say.

we all know what happened...u went there thinking u were gonna get laid to a 19 yr old chick and she came to her senses and didnt meet u....jeezzz u really r obsessed with this ray act ur age drop it and move on with ur life...AND WIFE!!!!

Wow...So much drama. Will u ever stop with this soap opera?

The mondo telenovela is back.

I didn't even know it ended...

This is getting funnier than Duck Soup

Ray my friend, enough now. Speak to you soon I hope.

Looks like it is time to disappear and return with a new nick.

but u already come here with other screen names...not much changes does it

You are being MUCH too polite Wayne. Is your heart not in this game?

As an outside observer of this give and take, I have to say that I only hope it's just a game.
Come on, we're all better than this, right? :)

no we aint

or just disappear again LOL

Exactly. Especially now that the weekend is approaching... lol

i like ur thinking, W but there is always monday :((( LOL

wonder what warchant is going to do when he hears ray is claiming that he and the lady are liars

i'm going to disney world

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Freaked me out

lol I bet it is.I just wish they'd stop waking me up when I fall asleep at work.

I did that for a host once - CC needs more idiots like me then :P

what will you be wearing because i share your fantasy :P

Err....I have done some one to ones with you and it appears you are asleep half the time. Happy Valentine's Day my love. You are the light of my life. Kiss.

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wish it was over so things get normal again.

Maybe it's still fun to get matched (chathost-chatter) even without winning a price? :-)

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nightofakina my fav host

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Nope, sorry. I'm boycotting Fox until they bring back Arrested Development.

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prison break was on this week on Fox.

I originated the program in the UK

welll it runs sucsessfully om the 6th or 7th year in Norwy under the name of The Idol. It was a worldvide compatition hosted in London say 4-5 years ago with the result that the norwegion idol washed the floor with his US competitor to be the only (international ) Idol. Hence the US sponsor money was withdrawn from the international competition and u got ur US Idol as normal is. I recall the first or scond Idol in UK had some good hits, Clearyfying ,hehe but for the language?

Why can't Norwegians play hockey? And is it a source of national shame knowing that your neighbors in Sweden play the game so awesomely?

maybe they can't play hockey coz it's an arctic country.not enough green fields.much better at skiing,skating & other sports of the same kind.sweden are ok at it but not up with the big guns,the netherlands, australia, germany, spain, great britain,india & pakistan.now they can play hockey.

what's hockey gotta do with a pop contest?

Why would a person assume that the term "hockey", in regards to an arctic country, was used to refer to the women's variant of the game -- the type played on a field of grass?

If you ask me, it was quite obvious that the first Curious was talking not about field hockey, but about unicycle hockey.

What ARE you talking about?????

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hi sweet aria..this is funny I tried posting here 5 times in the last week and none of my post got posted. my last one was to congradulate all the winners, similar to your post. all of mine were about the contest but yet none got posted i wonder if they will post this one..congradates again....john

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thanks dear xxx :):) hace a nice holliday too!!!!! xxx

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and some day you wake-up and wonder yourself : "What the hell have I done? Who's this guy/girl I married? Not even close to the one I felt inlove....."
Better wake-up before it's2late...lol

you make me feel 35 years younger......happy valentine...

wow jassy your commining out strongly. Happy Valentine to U. But please don't forget that this today is mainly a US commercial exportation, well taken care of on CC, and very little celebrated outside UK and US-influenced parts of the world, Klem my sweet.

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She knows, I know, and Nothing Else Matters!

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Why do I only count 17 completed?

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ahem hmm

yes that really sums it up. Interesting how the post didn't get much response. Goes to show you the level of intelligence and sense of irony on this forum. Oh well, what do you expect from a pornsite.

Star Wars - The action and excitement is great. I like science fiction

lawerence of arabia- not particularly factual but was a sweeping epic in its time

also zulu with michael kane, same thing and somewhat closer to the facts

Erm...There are soooo many..Well some of them are:

1)Pulp fiction (and as well as 4 rooms and all Quentin's early movies)

2) All Guy Richie movies

3)Breakfast at Tiffany's

4)Zoolander=))=))

5)How to lose a guy in 10 days

6)Ahhh all Ben Stiller vs Own Willson movies))) Best duo ever)

7)The Grudge (the scariest movie ive seen so far) I pee my pants every time i watch it

8)Click-funny but at the same time has a deep idea

9)Taxi (french one, the first part)

10)Asterix (Mission Claopatra)) Monica Bellucci is sooooo gorgeous in it)))

11) Seven with Brad Pitt

12) Goal 2 (can anyone help me to find the first part?))

And many many many many more)))

what a jerk...i know...i've worked with the guy before.

interesting choices...moni...all dudes...all macho...all attitude...or complete buffoons...what's your take on men in general??

Not u obviously;)

This thread isnt about men. Its about movies.

was the question name your favorite movie or name every movie ever made? i cant remember 12 movies iv'e seen. lol

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Ewwww))

Duck Soup because I'm in it

congrats...but you're way too old to be here...make sure you take your heart medicine when necessary ;)

If you are referring to me...I'm 52 years old. I lift weights, practice martial arts, train with firearms, and have personal trainer... in 2007 rode my bike 3,000 miles +...you? :-)

I think he meant me and was funny :-)

yes, and thx for your understanding and no offense intended :) sure it was great to work along side such talents.

Thx Groucho...love your work. Loved all your byplay with Margaret Dumont!

"300" King Leonidas kicks ass!

I enjoyed 300. Have you seen Spartacus with Kirk Douglas, or Ben-Hur with Charlton Heston? Oldies...but goodies.

Bogie made some great movies, but I prefered African Queen.

Though my favorite movie is Amadeus.

Here's looking at you kid....

Casablanca All the way, Just a perfect film

To Have & Have Not..has to be my fav Bogie movie, though wouldn't be my fav of all

Wow...lot's of Bogie fans. Casablanca great movie, To Have and Have Not, Lauren Bacll was 19 years old. Bogie and Bacall fell in love while making movie. Had to be one of the best debuts by a teenage actress.

So? Your fav movie is?

Ahhh..yes! Mr. Allnut. Bogie said he hated the heat and flies, but wonderful movie resulted!

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Since the 3 were made all at once, I would have to say "The Lord of the Rings" trilogy.

Also rans : The Godfather
Braveheart
Troy
A Hard Day's Night
Gladiator
Animal House

Agreed. The time, energy and effort that went into that trilogy was amazing. Peter Jackson joined the ranks of great directors with that contribution.

Like your other choices too. All quality movies, Godfather is also in my Top 10. Hard Day's Night...makes me laugh out loud, what a funny, zany movie...like Bananas by Woody Allan.

A walk in the Clouds...a little movie, but very romantic. The scene in the vineyards with the sheets covering the grapes, and blowing in the wind...was magical and memorable.

The Bourne trilogy. The Kingdom, Casablanca, Match Point (Woody Allen film with Scarlet Johansson), and my all time favorite, The Committments (story about soul band in UK).

Bourne Trilogy great. One of the few series where each movie was better than the previous one. Will check out the Commitments.

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My favourite is Mulholland Drive, but I agree with you about The Maltese Falcon. A perfect film in every aspect.

" I will not take the fall for you "

Bogart to Astor.

Like Muholland Drive as well.

"...it's the stuff dreams are made of."

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I forgot about "A Few Good Men". I can't stand that arrogant Cruise guy, but loved Jack's performance.

How about Jack Nicholson in Chinatown, mouthing off to Roman Polanski who has a switchblade inside his nostril?

chinatown a very under appreciated movie when it first came out. saw it becuase the movie i went to see at the time was sold out. theater was empty, but it was a VERY entertaining movie

roman polanski is a dirty despicable criminal

still a good movie

Well as many have more than one favourite film, then i have to say the same.It`s hard just to name just one favourite film, cos then u think of another film that was gr8 and then u think of another one etc etc. So here is a few of my favs.

Ronin - gr8 thriller with plenty of action and some cool car chases and DeNiro.
15 Minutes is also a gr8 film with DeNiro and Edward Burns.

Lord Of The Rings Trilogy - for the pure scale of the films and the get lost in the pure fantasy of it all.

There are a few comedies but none that have made me laugh the whole way through a film, but 2 that have come close are -
Fun with Dick And Jane and Barnyard.

Just for pure out right shooting it has to be Shoot `em Up and Crank.

The most moving, thought provoking and shocking film about war and its effects on people would have to be Saving Private Ryan.

Failure to Launch and The Lake House for the romantic in me.

There are loads more that i have to watch, and my views could change after watching them but i`ll stick with these for now.
As for the old black and white films, any western with John Wayne.
Humphrey Bogart in the African Queen.
Yul Brynner in the King And I.
Cary Grant in Bringing Up Baby and any other film he was in.
They don`t make films like they used to. :P

Scarface....a great film and performance by Al Pacino

"... so say goodnight to the bad guy..it's the last time you gonna see a bad guy like me."

Thanks to all for responding, and those yet to respond, Some great movies named. I just wanted to post a cool thread without hatred, or anger that we can all enjoy. There are so many thoughtful intelligent members here on CC.

I post under many names (except my "real one") and I read the Forums regularly, and with great interest. Ty...friends!

was a good thread movie fan and you right, made a refreshing change - my fav movie, Carmen by Carlos Saura - about love and passion of an older man for a younger woman, just like life here really.

Though I am familiar with the story of Carmen, haven't seen that film. Yes, you are right kinda like here in some ways...like Lolita?

Lolita, more like a typical CC romance - old man, young woman. :P

Great list. Most I have seen, the rest I will see.

DeNiro in Ronin - "...draw it again..."

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goodfellas, taxi driver, raging bull. all classic deniro and cant be beat. martin scorsese is the greatest ever director.

some of mine that I did not see listed (I might have missed them)...

Recent - "V for Vendetta", "Borat", "The Aristocrats", "Eurotrip", "Enemy at the Gates" , "Boiler Room" ,"Office Space"...

All time: "American History X", "Trainspotting", "Dazed and Confused", "GlenGarry, GlenRoss", "T2: Judgement Day" , "Bull Durham", "Wall Street", "Bachelor Party", "Trading Places", "History of the World , Part 1", "Animal House", "Slapshot", "Caddyshack", "The Hollywood Nights", "The Pink Panther Strikes Again", "Monty Python and the Holy Grail", "Blazing Saddles" God, I am only back to 1974? lol....

Great list, eclectic and interesting. Wall St. and Glengarry similar but both very powerful. V for Vendetta I know what you mean, but the last 30 min. were disappointing. Still, interesting if not whooly factual, and visually mesmerizing.

I stand corrected, "Animal House" was mentioned. (Ivymike assumes the position of obedience and says "Thank you, Sir! May I have another?"....)

I noticed tow things about most movies listed bt CC members, BTW the selections just keep getting better. I have written down so many movies to rent...when am I gonna sleep?

Anway, as to my observations, no Sci- Fi movies except Star Wars, and no children's movies unless you count Tolkien & Spielberg in both categories.

Soo.. let me add a couple, Wizard of Oz (1939 same year as Gone with The Wind, if you look it up, one of the greatest years in film history) and 2001 A Space Odyssey. Someone mentioned Martin Scorsese (whom I had the pleasure to meet) as the greatest director...Stanley Kubrick also a great filmmaker...mmm...perhaps I should start another thread, soon? Suggestions welcome...or just start your own!

Im the "Mulholland Drive" guy !! Thanks for starting a thread on such an interesting subject. It's been a pleasure to read all the replies. I'm not sure there would be enough interest, but how about a thread on film noir ? All the great b & w movies and stars from the 1940s & 50s

Cheers and a big hello to all movie fans wherever you are.

ditto alan - I'm the Carmen fan. Sci-fi sure mv, how about 'Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind' ? la ti do la do ray la so

Horror movies? - Near Dark my fav - quite sexy too in the cinema but doesn't work so well on the small screen

Loved Close Encounters...mostly. I just loved the intensity of Richard Dreyfuss as he tries to figure out what's going on. The scene where he destroys his kitchen to build the model of the plateau, fantastic!

oops. do ray me attempt not right - back to the keyboard....

no shrek?

bored me stupid, the Shrek movies :(

How about Toy Story?

Shrek 1 only IMHO.

Like the film noir idea...perhaps you can start a thread?
Find interesting way to pose the question?

But to answer your question, 1947 Kiss of Death with Richard Widmark. Throwing a woman in a wheelchair down a flight of stairs (and laughing), had to be one of the "darkest" moments in American film history.

I like:

Casablanca. (modern version: "we will always have cc")
citizen kane

Strange days

and

before sunrise
before sunset (many people would bore with the 15 min cafe chat scene)

and of course, you got mail. ;)